<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Climate Camp: Give it up for the Guardian!</title> <atom:link href="http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/</link> <description>Freelance photojournalist based in London</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:13:57 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Rich Simcox</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-40</link> <dc:creator>Rich Simcox</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:32:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-40</guid> <description>Good piece Jono.@Bettina, unbelievable response from the Guardian. &quot;For what it&#039;s worth&quot;...it&#039;s worth the square root of fuck all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece Jono.</p><p>@Bettina, unbelievable response from the Guardian. &#8220;For what it&#8217;s worth&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s worth the square root of fuck all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rufus Wainright</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-39</link> <dc:creator>Rufus Wainright</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:45:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-39</guid> <description>The same disease has spread into photographic competitions appealing to amateur photographers keen to see their name up in lights but with subversive rights grabbing clauses.There is a petition on the Number 10 website calling on the prime minister &quot;to ban companies from grabbing the intellectual property rights to photographs in carefully worded competition terms and conditions&quot;http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PhotoCompetition/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same disease has spread into photographic competitions appealing to amateur photographers keen to see their name up in lights but with subversive rights grabbing clauses.</p><p>There is a petition on the Number 10 website calling on the prime minister &#8220;to ban companies from grabbing the intellectual property rights to photographs in carefully worded competition terms and conditions&#8221;</p><p><a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PhotoCompetition/" rel="nofollow">http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PhotoCompetition/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tony Sleep</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-38</link> <dc:creator>Tony Sleep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:58:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-38</guid> <description>There it is : the expedient extinction of integrity and truth by vested interests.At one time newspapers stood up for the freedom to report and  manipulation such as Climate Camp would have been resisted and condemned. Now,  &quot;give us your propaganda&quot; (and a rights grab) is the response.The cure is more fatal than the disease. Why would anyone buy a newspaper that merely recycles a subset of what&#039;s freely available on the web?Climate Camp needs to be condemned for its hostility to open reporting. The virtue of the cause is no excuse. Fear of Daily Mail hackery is no excuse. Again, their cure is as bad as the disease.Paul, how can we adapt to a la-la land society, where what is profitable (or at least free) takes precedence over honesty? Photojournalism is dead, not because of TV, nor public boredom, but because it&#039;s inconvenient to all concerned. Photographers must either join the circle of fools giving the market what it wants or peddling propaganda. Either way it&#039;s the same thing, a toxic media environment about which nobody cares except a few professionals.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There it is : the expedient extinction of integrity and truth by vested interests.</p><p>At one time newspapers stood up for the freedom to report and  manipulation such as Climate Camp would have been resisted and condemned. Now,  &#8220;give us your propaganda&#8221; (and a rights grab) is the response.</p><p>The cure is more fatal than the disease. Why would anyone buy a newspaper that merely recycles a subset of what&#8217;s freely available on the web?</p><p>Climate Camp needs to be condemned for its hostility to open reporting. The virtue of the cause is no excuse. Fear of Daily Mail hackery is no excuse. Again, their cure is as bad as the disease.</p><p>Paul, how can we adapt to a la-la land society, where what is profitable (or at least free) takes precedence over honesty? Photojournalism is dead, not because of TV, nor public boredom, but because it&#8217;s inconvenient to all concerned. Photographers must either join the circle of fools giving the market what it wants or peddling propaganda. Either way it&#8217;s the same thing, a toxic media environment about which nobody cares except a few professionals.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy Moseley</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-37</link> <dc:creator>Andy Moseley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:26:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-37</guid> <description>What is going on at my old paper!! Just when you think it can&#039;t get any worse, I used to be proud to work for the Guardian and Manchester Evening News group, now they are exploiting Journalists and photographers I&#039;m glad I got out when I did!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is going on at my old paper!! Just when you think it can&#8217;t get any worse, I used to be proud to work for the Guardian and Manchester Evening News group, now they are exploiting Journalists and photographers I&#8217;m glad I got out when I did!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bettina Strenske</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-36</link> <dc:creator>Bettina Strenske</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:04:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-36</guid> <description>Just seen the reply from the Guardian about payment:&quot;@wnjr - as you&#039;ve rightly surmised, we don&#039;t pay for these photos.However, for what it&#039;s worth, previous contributors to our Flickr groups have been very happy to see their photos in the centrespread of the paper and on galleries on guardian.co.uk, without being paid.&quot;Do the Climate Camp organisers know about this and do they condone such action?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just seen the reply from the Guardian about payment:</p><p>&#8220;@wnjr &#8211; as you&#8217;ve rightly surmised, we don&#8217;t pay for these photos.</p><p>However, for what it&#8217;s worth, previous contributors to our Flickr groups have been very happy to see their photos in the centrespread of the paper and on galleries on guardian.co.uk, without being paid.&#8221;</p><p>Do the Climate Camp organisers know about this and do they condone such action?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Treacy</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-35</link> <dc:creator>Paul Treacy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:41:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-35</guid> <description>This is blatant commercial exploitation, is it not? I&#039;m sure it breaks Flickr&#039;s rules too. Crafty shenanigans by the Guardian.However, you can understand their motivation and I&#039;m sure the coverage they get will be compelling. We&#039;ll just have to adjust to this sort of thing, me thinks. It&#039;s a juggernaut.Image gathering, be it still or motion, is so accessible to the the masses that there&#039;s little we can do about it but adapt. That&#039;s the way of it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is blatant commercial exploitation, is it not? I&#8217;m sure it breaks Flickr&#8217;s rules too. Crafty shenanigans by the Guardian.</p><p>However, you can understand their motivation and I&#8217;m sure the coverage they get will be compelling. We&#8217;ll just have to adjust to this sort of thing, me thinks. It&#8217;s a juggernaut.</p><p>Image gathering, be it still or motion, is so accessible to the the masses that there&#8217;s little we can do about it but adapt. That&#8217;s the way of it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc Vallee</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-34</link> <dc:creator>Marc Vallee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:32:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-34</guid> <description>Excellent work Jono!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work Jono!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jess Hurd</title><link>http://jwarren.co.uk/articles/climate-camp-guardian-rights-grab/#comment-33</link> <dc:creator>Jess Hurd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:25:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://jwarren.co.uk/blog/?p=374#comment-33</guid> <description>Spot on Jono! Well said.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Jono!<br /> Well said.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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